Didn't they kill and load whales right under the nose of Watson last year or was Animal Planets video edited to just show they did for emocional purposes??
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*** Whale wars*** Sea Sheperd vs Illegal Japanese whaling.
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Posts: 3487 (10/04/09 03:55:39) |
Then again, if they said Watson wasn't causing problems for them, then they'd have no case for having Watson stopped from bothering them.
Personally, I think the Japs were harassed enough to not kill some whales. Watson has to bullshit his cred for what remains on the quota but who knows for sure if they would have completed the quota at all. I think the upcoming whale hunt is gonna be an all out war and we're gonna see some dirty tactics, perhaps from both sides. From the last season we saw how ineffective the zodiacs were and the real treat came from Watson ramming the whalers. As I see it, passiveness is not gonna stop the Japs, it would have to be direct damage. Would that mean that the Japs would legally be allowed to use lethal methods to prevent damage to their vessels and to protect their lives? |
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Posts: 1822 (10/04/09 05:02:00) |
Personally, I think the Japs were harassed enough to not kill some whales. Watson has to bullshit his cred for what remains on the quota but who knows for sure
if they would have completed the quota at all.
So are you saying the Japanese whalers are lying? Making some stuff up to make them look like the victims? and the real treat came from Watson ramming the whalers. I agree, yes, that was a treat. |
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Posts: 2858 (10/04/09 06:38:31) |
"I have no idea if PW invented this or not, and since you are posting the claim, I am asking you for a reference/link"
Ok, so you admit you have no idea about this, yet you infer that Paul Watson is making unsubstantiated claims? what I admit is that I didn't know if the Japanese actually credit PW for their lost quota. Based on what you finally posted, maybe they did. and, based on PW's history of lying, why in the world would I accept his boast at face value? I , and others, have shown time and again, that he tells lies. so why would I not doubt him this time. |
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Posts: 3494 (10/04/09 07:42:51) |
"So are you saying the Japanese whalers are lying? Making some stuff up to make them look like the victims?"
Who knows if and what they lie about. Of course they want to be viewed as the victim, it wouldn't do them much good to appear to be the aggressor. |
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Posts: 1910 (10/14/09 15:34:40) |
High-tech stealth trimaran joins war against whaling
4:00AM Thursday Oct 15, 2009 A modified Earthrace powerboat will join protests against Japanese whaling in the Southern Ocean. Photo / Stephen BarkerBlack carbon paint makes boat virtually invisible to radar systems on other ships The record-breaking powerboat Earthrace has taken on a black look to protest against Japanese whalers in some of the world's most dangerous waters late this year. The 24m trimaran powerboat has special paint which deflects radar waves, meaning it can sneak up on Japanese whalers almost unseen in the Southern Ocean. "It is like a stealth boat," said skipper Pete Bethune, who skippered Earthrace last year when it became the fastest powerboat to circumnavigate the globe. The black carbon paint makes it virtually invisible to radar systems on other ships. 
The boat has also been fitted with a broadband radar which cannot be detected by other vessels. Mr Bethune would not say if they would run without navigation lights in an attempt to get close to the Japanese whalers. "You do what you have got to do." He said Earthrace was being bought by the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society and would join the ship Steve Irwin on a three-month mission to protest against the Japanese whaling programme. Conditions in the Southern Ocean for the protest voyage would be "brutal", Mr Bethune said, but Earthrace was a tough boat and well proven in heavy seas. It had had an additional 500kg of Kevlar added to the hull beneath the waterline to strengthen it for possible contact with sea ice. Mr Bethune said he expected waves up to 12m high during the three-day voyage to the Southern Ocean from Perth. Earthrace would not follow Sea Shepherd tactics and try to ram Japanese whalers. "We need different tactics. I can't tell you what they are. But we will stir things up down there. We are well resourced." Mr Bethune said his concern was for the safety of his crew and boat. "We are going down there to mess with some Japanese who are extremely pissed off. They believe they have got a right to continue taking these whales and we believe they haven't." Earthrace is due to leave Auckland at the end of the month for Perth and will sail for the Southern Ocean on December 7. - NZPA 
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Posts: 2293 (10/14/09 16:02:12) |
"The 24m trimaran powerboat has special paint which deflects radar waves, meaning it can sneak up on Japanese whalers almost unseen in the Southern
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What is it gonna do after it "sneaks" up on the whalers, take a picture??? 
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Posts: 1911 (10/14/09 17:45:53) |
I emailed PW a year or two back with a great idea...got a big thumbs up...this might be the start of it BSP. Stay tuned!
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Posts: 2294 (10/15/09 01:07:44) |
"I emailed PW a year or two back with a great idea...got a big thumbs up...this might be the start of it BSP. Stay tuned!"
If you haven't noticed lmaufo the Japanese in the last few years has less and less tolerance for the SS crew fanatics. Watson wants a reaction and sooner than later he's gonna get one then someone is gonna get seriously hurt or killed. Those words may come back to haunt you, I wouldn't want someone's death weighting down on my shoulders that's fer sure! |
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Posts: 1912 (10/15/09 02:50:38) |
The Japanese have already killed three of their own.
hopefully they wont kill any SS crewmembers. they certaily are very brave, considering what they are up against. |
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Posts: 2907 (10/15/09 03:30:04) |
Imaufo22 wrote:commercial fishing is one of the most dangerous occupations in the world, we loose too many every year in Newfoundland alone (as I'm sure you lose in Oz too)...so I have no doubt that whaling , in an industrial setting on the ocean, is no better, which is the context you have to look at re: 'the japanese have already killed three of their own"... would you say that whaling crew are brave? taking on the high seas (and pirate/ecoterrorists) to provide food and shelter for their families? as for killing SSCS crew, I hope they don't either, and I hope that PW doesn't set them up to be killed...I don't doubt for a second that he'd cash in on their deaths and not regret it for a second...IMO. all that they can do with this new earthrace boat, IMO, is follow the whalers and take pictures, or get in the way. the latter is what will get them killed. I don't think that boat is made for maneuverability, but for speed. In the hands of an inexperienced 'zealot' (who'll be driving it?), in confrontations with whalers I'd call it a death trap. |
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Posts: 2297 (10/15/09 05:17:41) |
"hopefully they wont kill any SS crewmembers. they certaily are very brave, considering what they are up against."
Manson's followers were "brave" to! |
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Posts: 1914 (10/16/09 14:00:03) |
commercial fishing is one of the most dangerous occupations in the world, we loose (* lose) too many every year in Newfoundland alone (as I'm
sure you lose in Oz too)...so I have no doubt that whaling , in an industrial setting on the ocean, is no better, which is the context you have to look at re:
'the japanese have already killed three of their own"...
would you say that whaling crew are brave? taking on the high seas (and pirate/ecoterrorists) to provide food and shelter for their families? You describe SS as eco-terrorists which is a misnomer as they are not killing or maiming, which is what terrorists do. They are there to save the environment, not cause its destruction. Terrorosts are more likely to do things like supply bullets to invading armies so that people get killed. Would you suggest, Isdababy, that the Newfoundland fishermen stop fishing because its too dangerous out there? Would you stop sealing because you lost some sealers last year? Would you justify, say, heroin production in Afghanistan or coacaine dealing in Columbia because the dealers and growers are simply trying to feed their families? That appears to be the excuse you are offerring regarding japanese whalers. Anything is permissable if you can get money for it. The Japanese whaling crew are in massive ships that can defy the elements. I suggest that their deaths are due to imcompetence, not the conditions. Therefore ...no I dont think they are brave. If they are brave, then how brave are SS crewmembers who go willingly to antartica for NO money and are up against one of the biggest mafia run money making machines of all time and are dangerous to wildlife and people? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Wednesday, October 14, 2009 Sea Shepherd Receives Generous Support in Sydney For the past week, the crew of the Steve Irwin had the pleasure of being docked in the heart of Sydney opposite the famous Opera House. Again our thanks to Sydney Ports and all the people involved in giving us this fantastic berthing! On our daily tours, we had the opportunity to express our thanks to our supporters for backing us up these past several years in Australia. Many people came to see the ship and our tours were absolutely packed. On Saturday and Sunday we had over 1,000 visitors each day. People donated money, food, tools, and many other items. Our crew and onshore support team worked tirelessly to inform our supporters about the work Sea Shepherd does. It is fantastic to see that support for Sea Shepherd is stronger than ever now that we are gearing up for our sixth Antarctic Whale Defense Campaign against the illegal Japanese whaling fleet. All our visitors were outraged about the treatment Captain Watson and 1st Officer Peter Hammarstedt are receiving from the Australian government, which continues to cause problems with their visa application. Clearly, the present administration is more interested in taking orders from Tokyo than in listening to the very voters that put them in office. We will continue to gather signatures petitioning to let them both back into Australia. We can't even begin to list all the people that stocked our stores but nevertheless special thanks go to: David, Kemi, Kevin and Connie from Zen Imports for their generous donation of Leatherman's and other crew gear; Pip from Hyper-Hyper for an industrial grade coffee maker and delicious organic fair trade coffee and Dutch cocoa; The Vegan Society for their support and a selection of vegan treats; Ben for a well needed donation of computer equipment; LUSH for making sure our crew keeps smelling extremely good; Fry's for more vegan burgers and sausages; Pacific Organic for a large selection of food; The owners of the Swan for taking our crew out on their tall ship; and of course Vanessa and Aaron, our Sydney volunteers (we couldn't have done it without you!). No doubt our Sydney volunteer group will grow under their guidance. All of us on board the Steve Irwin hope we can return to Sydney next year to visit the many friends we made during our short stay. http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/news-091013-1.html
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Posts: 2912 (10/17/09 06:30:37) |
'terrorism' is not limited to wearing a bomb belt or firing and AK 47...its the use of violence, or threat of violence, to force change...
see wikepedia re: 'eco-terrorism'...its not my definition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-terrorism Eco-terrorism is defined by the 1. FBI as "the use or threatened use of violence of a criminal nature against innocent victims or property by an environmentally-oriented, subnational group for environmental-political reasons, or aimed at an audience beyond the target, often of a symbolic nature." Groups accused of ecoterrorism... In a 2002 testimony to the US Congress, an FBI official mentioned the actions of 1. Sea Shepherd Conservation Society in the context of eco-terrorism.[6] and as long as the whalers are using the 'loophole' its not illegal. so, how are the whalers acting criminally or illegally? at least speak in factual terms. I'm not against opposition to whaling. just hate use of misinformation and lies...as is the hallmark of SSCS and other ecoterrorists and AR organisations. Japan has challenged the legal status of the Southern Whale Sanctuary, demanding the IWC take their ruling (declarign the sanctuary...) to a competent legal review but they IWC has not done so. |
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Posts: 1920 (10/17/09 14:10:44) |
See criminal nature..that takes away your definiation of eco-terrorism.
an FBI official mentioned the actions of 1. Sea Shepherd Conservation Society in the context of eco-terrorism See the word "mentioned". This is not terrorism or eco terrorism. If SS are eco-terrorists then Canadas coast guard are terrorists. |
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Posts: 2915 (10/19/09 05:23:03) |
Imaufo22 wrote:the SSCS ram ships. if they lose their port of registry, they will become, in law, pirates with no legal protections from any of their actions. the Canadian Coast guard - terrorists? please do tell. the Farley mowat came too close to sealers on the ice, breaking the ice from under them. Why did they do that? not to get a closer look cuz they don't need to get that close to take pictures or video...they got that close to do what they did, to break the ice from under the sealer's feet and to terrorise them...its part of what they do. and it fits the definition of terrorism, and it is illegal. |
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Posts: 1923 (10/19/09 18:50:27) |
Isadbaby, when it was reported that PW was attacked by sealers, what was your response?
Japan catches 59 whales off northern island TOKYO - Japan said Monday it has caught 59 whales - one short of the maximum allowed by international guidelines - under a research program that critics say is a cover for commercial whaling. The annual expedition off the port city of Kushiro ended over the weekend after harvesting 59 minke whales, the Fisheries Agency said in a statement. A maximum of 60 is allowed under the research program authorized by the International Whaling Commission. Japan and other pro-whaling nations have been pushing for the IWC to revoke the 1986 ban on commercial hunts amid arguments over the number of whales left in the world's oceans. Japan also annually hunts about 1,000 whales in the Antarctic Ocean and the northwest Pacific Ocean under an IWC research program. Critics say the expeditions are a cover for commercial whaling because the harvest is sold to market for consumption. As in previous years, the Fisheries Agency said the hunt off Hokkaido was aimed at studying the whales' feeding patterns and their effect on fish stocks. Findings will be presented at next year's meeting of the IWC. During the 12-day expedition, whalers caught 36 male whales and 23 females, the agency said. Examination of their stomach contents found that the minkes most commonly fed on pollack, krill and anchovy in the research area, about 80 kilometers (50 miles) off the coast of Kushiro in the Pacific Ocean, it said. Kushiro is 895 kilometers (556 miles) northeast of Tokyo. http://blog.taragana.com/n/japan-catches-59-whales-1-short-of-maximum-allowed-under-international-rules-199828/ |
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Posts: 3573 (10/20/09 06:52:58) |
When was Watson attacked by sealers?
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Posts: 1928 (10/20/09 13:24:22) |
Fishermen in the French islands of St-Pierre-Miquelon cut the mooring
ropes of anti-sealing activist Paul Watson's ship Friday after hearing Watson make disparaging comments about the deaths this week of four hunters.
Paul Watson this week described sealers as 'vicious killers who are now pleading for sympathy.' (CBC) Meanwhile, Green party Leader Elizabeth May is cutting ties of her own with Watson, saying his most recent comments are extreme. The Sea Shepherd Society was attempting to refuel its vessel Farley Mowat on Friday morning when fishermen confronted it at the wharf in St-Pierre, the main community in the French islands south of Newfoundland. "We don't accept those kinds of people in St-Pierre," fisherman Carl Beaupertuis told CBC News Friday. "We cut the rope and let the boat go…. If they want to come back I tell you this time there's going to be some violence, 'cause we won't let him back in the harbour. No way." For Immediate Release - March 31, 2005 Contact: Heather Callin (360) 370-5650 heather at seashepherd.org Captain Paul Watson's reports from the bridge of the Farley Mowat: 1400 Hours AST - Nineteen Sea Shepherd crew are on the ice approaching the sealing vessel Brady Mariner. The Coast Guard vessel Amundsen has dispatched a helicopter towards our crew. The crew are approximately one half a nautical mile from the Farley Mowat. I informed the Fisheries Officer on the Amundsen that they were not in violation because no one is sealing. They said they were. We see no evidence of this. The Coast Guard helicopter has just flown over the Farley Mowat towards the crew and landed near them then took off again. At 1405 Hours AST - Seven of our international volunteer crew members, including Lisa Moises, Lisa Shalom, Jon Batchelor, Jonny Vasic, Jerry Vlasak, Adrian Haley, and Ian Robichaud, were assaulted by sealers from the sealing vessel Brady Mariner. They were punched and hit with clubs and hakapiks. 1415 Hours AST - The crew are returning to the ship. A Coast Guard helicopter has landed by some of the crew. They may be arresting them. I have officially requested that assault charges be brought against the sealers. They will most likely ignore my request. The bottom line is that crew members were taking pictures and they were assaulted and injured. 1430 Hours AST - Some of the crew have made it back to the ship but not all of them. The Coast Guard icebreaker Amundsen has pulled up behind the Farley Mowat, cutting thru the ice to cut off the rest of the crew from getting back on the Farley Mowat. The crew still on the ice are being arrested. 1520 Hours AST - The Farley Mowat is under attack. 11 crewmembers have been arrested by the Mounted Police for taking pictures of sealers. http://www.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/Week-of-Mon-20050328/015058.html The radio was alive with desperate sealers calling for help from the Coast Guard. But one Coast Guard ice-breaker was busy elsewhere. They dropped all their other activities to respond to a complaint from the Newfoundland sealer Brady Mariner that some Sea Shepherd crew were taking pictures of their activities. At 1330 Hours, 18 crew from the Farley Mowat had crossed a mile of ice to witness and photograph sealers from the Brady Mariner. Eight sealers came towards them armed with hak-a-pics and began to shout and swear at them. Within minutes the sealers became violent and attacked the Sea Shepherd crew. Nineteen year old Lisa Moises from Germany was slapped in the face and punched in the stomach by one burly sealer. A sealer with a club, locally called a hak-a-pic, assaults a member of the Sea Shepherd crew. (Photos courtesy SSCS) 
Another attacked photographer Ian Robichaud with a hak-a-pik, striking his camera and hitting him in the side of the head. Adrian Haley was struck in the face. Jonathan Batchlor was punched in the mouth. Jonny Vasic was hit in the side of the head with a club. Petite Lisa Shalom of Montreal was struck by a sealer as she took pictures of the assault on her crewmates. When another sealer swung his hak-a-pik to strike Jonny Vasic's camera, Dr. Jerry Vlasak, a surgeon from Los Angeles, jumped in his way and took the blow across the face. The crew radioed back to Captain Paul Watson that they had been attacked. Captain Watson called the Coast Guard Icebreaker Amundsen and requested that the Mounted Police officers on Board investigate the assault. They did not reply. Instead, a helicopter was dispatched to arrest the Sea Shepherd crew on the ice. Of the 18 who left to document the sealers, only seven were able to return. They barely made it. The Amundsen was charging through the ice to cut off their path of retreat to the Farley Mowat. Lisa Moises and Ian Robichaud barely made it back to the Farley Mowat. They watched as the massive red hull of the Coast Guard Icebreaker Amundsen bore quickly down on them in an attempt to cut them off. They could see chunks of ice flying out from the bow of the ice breaker but they kept focused on the Farley Mowat and managed to make it across. Behind them Jonny Vasic and Jon Batchelor raced to cross the ice before the Amundsen could cut them off. Jonny saw the hull looming above him and felt the ice tremble as a jagged cut slithered before the bow and opened up. He could see the dark black water widening as he jumped and made it across, relieved to see that Jon Batchelor had done the same. Both of them raced towards the Farley Mowat. Behind them Alex Cornelissen and Lisa Shalom were not so lucky. They were cut off and unable to cross the treacherous lead that the Amundsen had opened up. They saw helicopters approaching and police officers debarking the ice-breaker, their hands on their guns approaching them. The eleven captured were manhandled into helicopters and taken to the Amundsen and charged. The Amundsen then came towards the Farley Mowat in an intimidating manner and stopped only a few hundred feet off the starboard side of Farley Mowat for over an hour. No one on the Amundsen said anything or would provide information on the crew they had taken into custody. http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2005/2005-04-01-inswat.asp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HEqc2398iQ U tube attack video 1995 - Canada announces the full-scale resumption of commercial sealing. The government sets a bounty on landed seal meat. Sea Shepherd returns to the Gulf of St. Lawrence to conduct further research for an alternative non-lethal sealing industry. The Sealing Association on the Magdalen Islands is angered that Sea Shepherd is attempting to replace the club with a hair brush. On March 16, a mob of three hundred sealers take-over the hotel where Captain Watson, Lisa Distefano, actor Martin Sheen, other volunteers, and media representatives are staying. Sealers break down the door to Watson's hotel room and assault him. Reporters are attacked and journalists' cameras are smashed. Police take Watson against his will from the hotel to the airport - while the car is driving away a brick is thrown threw the window hitting Watson in the head. A Quebec tactical police team is flown to the Magdalens to escort the media and Sea Shepherd crew out of the province. The Quebec police refuse to lay charges on the sealers. Canada's return to sealing is publicized worldwide. click on photo of article to enlarge and read
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