Was just visiting japan's whaling site.. what a joke, full of BS and lie after lie. Good for a laugh though, they claim that this whole commercial whaling
in disguise claim is "part of the anti-whaling rhetoric" and that the aim of japan's whaling is science "science that will ensure that when
commercial whaling is resumed it will be sustainable'.
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*** Whale wars*** Sea Sheperd vs Illegal Japanese whaling.
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Yeah...thats what we are up against Im afraid. One is reminded of their attitude some years ago when they tried to to take over all of Asia Pacific. Not to
mention Australia itself.
There is another article I will find for you later. Its about Blue Fin Tuna...how the japanese have been taking more than their quotas from areas around Australia. Lying to Australia basicly about how much they have caught. Disgraceful. |
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Posts: 121 (04/26/08 00:23:39) |
yep and because they are a rich and powerful country, they can get away with it!
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Posts: 246 (05/07/08 15:06:21) |
new article - http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23663664-2,00.html
$1m whale case against Japan beachedBy Dennis Shanahan May 08, 2008 06:00am Article from: Font size: + - Send this article: Print Email Whale case against Japan likely to be dropped NZ abandons court bid due to'significant difficulties' Australia to talk to Japan before making final decision AUSTRALIA is likely to abandon its $1 million attempt to take Japan to the international court over whaling after New Zealand gave up its plans to use legal action to stop the annual cull. The Rudd Government embraced the use of the UN's international court soon after the election, using aircraft and ships to gather evidence against Japanese whalers in the Southern Ocean. But the New Zealand Government has since discovered "significant difficulties" with taking Japan to the international court and has abandoned the tactic. The hunt for evidence against Japan in its "scientific hunt" for whales became highly contentious when the crew of the environmental crusader ship Sea Shepherd was accused of piracy and violence after activists threw bottles of "acid" and boarded a Japanese whaling ship. Ahead of official visits to Japan by Kevin Rudd next month and Foreign Minister Stephen Smith this week, expectation is growing that Australia's aggressive attempt to take Japan to court over whaling will lapse. Last night, Mr Smith told The Australian the Government would make a final decision on whether to pursue Japan in an international court "at an appropriate time" based on legal advice and the evidence gathered by the Customs vessel Oceanic Viking. Speaking from South Korea, he said the Government would make its decision on legal action "in dialogue with the Japanese Government". The likelihood of a resolution without going to an international court has increased after the New Zealand Government dropped its plans to build an international case against Japan over whaling. The planned court case would have taken place at the UN's International Court of Justice in The Hague, in The Netherlands, or at its International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea in the German port city of Hamburg. Mr Smith, aware of the legal advice to New Zealand, said Australia would continue to work with New Zealand against whaling through the International Whaling Commission. Tokyo wants to ensure Mr Rudd's first trip to Japan as Prime Minister is positive and concentrates on climate change and potential joint regional aid projects rather than whaling and the perceived snub in his failure to include Japan on last month's 17-day world trip, which included four days in China. The aggressive position of Environment Minister Peter Garrett strained relations with Japan and threatened to overshadow Mr Rudd's trip. In December, Australia issued a demarche, or formal diplomatic protest, on behalf of numerous nations over Japan's plans to cull about 900 minke whales and 50 fin whales. Japan, which also faced protests from the US, dropped a plan to cull 50 humpbacks. It is estimated that Australia's "evidence gathering" to form a case against Japanese whalers in an international court, which included the voyage of the Oceanic Viking and aerial surveillance, cost taxpayers more than $1 million. The Rudd Government has been "considering" the evidence for three months and has still not made a decision. The release of dramatic film footage showing whales being towed aboard Japanese ships earlier this year outraged Australians, but in Japan there was a backlash against Australia and a surge in support for whaling. Linking the actions of the Sea Shepherd with Canberra has deepened Tokyo's concerns the Rudd Government is pro-Chinese to the point of being anti-Japanese. Mr Smith, speaking ahead of his trip to Asia this week that will take in Japan, said Australia and Japan would "agree to disagree on whaling". Mr Rudd and Mr Smith have signalled they want an end to the diplomatic row with Japan although they still vigorously oppose whaling. New Zealand Conservation Minister Steve Chadwick told The Australian last night his Government had given up plans to pursue Japan over whaling in the international court. He said that New Zealand strongly supported Australia's anti-whaling stance and still had an "open mind" on the legal action. But he said attempts to take Japanese whalers to the court "had significant difficulties". Mr Chadwick said New Zealand would continue to work through diplomatic channels to oppose whaling in the Southern Ocean. It is understood the legal advice Attorney-General Robert McClelland is considering is similar to that given to the New Zealand Government. Earlier this year Mr Chadwick and Mr Garrett issued a statement saying they would pursue Japan in the IWC. Opposition foreign affairs spokesman Andrew Robb said yesterday Mr Rudd had to calm relations between Australian and Japan. Mr Robb said Mr Rudd's perceived "China bias" had caused concerns in Indonesia, Japan and India. He said Mr Rudd had sent a "gun boat" after Japanese whaling ships without picking up the phone to Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda. |
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no CHinese or Japenese foods, no seafoods, very stinky. Besides every Japan and CHinese foods end in ding , dang or dong and that my folks is definetely NOT
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isn't that a touch 'childish'?
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Posts: 343 (05/08/08 04:40:28) |
thats a great example of how "open minded" Huny is
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The Whale WarsReporter: Matthew Carney Broadcast: 18/07/2005 It was billed as a "victory for the whales". Last month's International Whaling Commission meeting in Korea had fended off Japan's push for a return to commercial whaling. A triumphant Australia had led the opposition. But Japan has warned that it is far from beaten. It insists that it will press ahead with plans to dramatically increase the number and species of whales it kills under the loophole of "scientific research". And in the fading minutes of the forum, Japanese representatives declared defiantly that they would not back off on commercial whaling. They would be back in greater force next year - with more votes from more pro-whaling countries. "The reversal of history, the turning point, is soon to come," one delegate told the meeting. The warning underlined Japan's determination to grind out victory in a long-term campaign to return to full commercial whaling - even if that means coping with embarrassing setbacks and international odium along the way. At the heart of Japan's strategy is its courting of small, impoverished nations - mainly in the Pacific, the Caribbean and Africa - to win their support at the IWC. For years Japan has been accused by conservationists of bribing these minnow states for their pro-whaling votes. Rarely, however, have these accusations been backed by solid evidence. Japan has denied the charge. Now Four Corners can reveal the specific detail of some of the favours handed out to countries to sign up for IWC membership and to support Japan. In one case, an official letter has surfaced to show that Japan has been making payments to the IWC on one country's behalf. In another case, a former IWC commissioner confirms that Japan has been paying all his country's IWC costs and associated
expenses. In yet another, a disgusted politician tells how his country was bought off.
In this report, filmed in the Pacific, the Caribbean and the lobbies of the IWC meeting in Korea, Four Corners also exposes the farcical rules of the IWC and how it is open to manipulation and abuse. Matthew Carney reports on "The Whale Wars" - Four Corners, 8.30pm, Monday 18 July, ABC TV.
FOUR CORNERSInvestigative TV journalism at its best. TRANSCRIPT
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stating a dislike for a certain culture food is childish? WHen Iam asked locally to go to lunch ,dinner, etc......I repeat the same phrases .SO it is only
childish if you want it to be. If eveyone doesnt agree with you ,you give back childish responses , but I dont tell everyone that or would I.
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Posts: 346 (05/08/08 05:36:58) |
do we need to spell it out for you Huny?
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Posts: 249 (05/08/08 05:41:39) |
"JOJI MORISHITA: I try to look at this issue as scientific as possible. Their intelligence level is quite comparable to a cow. So it's a big animal,
and if you think cows are intelligent, yes, whales are intelligent. But if you think these animals are stupid, well, you have to say that whales are
stupid."
I thought it has been proven that whales and dolphins have an intelligence above other animals?, not that im saying that mkaes then more important i just didnt think the intelligence of a cow and whale would be on the same level. |
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"JOJI MORISHITA: I try to look at this issue as scientific as possible. Their intelligence level is quite comparable to a cow. Whats so scientfic about reporting what your employee wants you to say? 
Of course they are not on the same level. The Japanese tell lies. I would consider horses at least twice as smart as a cow. Some horses I know are smarter than most dogs. My dog is smarter than most horses. Whales and dolphins are smarter than both. There is little doubt about that. I am smart enough to know one thing and that is that the Japanese are very good at telling lies...but they are silly enough to think that they are so superior that they can get away with it ( ie the lie is complete) 
Whales share brain cells with humans according to a new study published online November 27, 2006 in The Anatomical Record, the official journal of the American Association of Anatomists. The research suggests that "certain cetaceans and hominids may have evolved side by side." Whales boast the brain cells that 'make us human' 15:00 27 November 2006 NewScientist.com news service Andy Coghlan http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10661-whales-boast-the-brain-cells-that-make-us-human.html Whales may share our kind of intelligence, researchers say after discovering brain cells previously found only in humans and other primates. They were touted as the brain cells that set humans and the other great apes apart from all other mammals. Now it has been discovered that some whales also have spindle neurons - specialised brain cells that are involved in processing emotions and helping us interact socially. Spindle cells, named after their long, spindle-shaped bodies, are the cells that are credited with allowing us to feel love and to suffer emotionally. Their discovery in whales will stimulate debate both on the level of whale intelligence and on the ethics of hunting them. The cells occur in parts of the human brain that are thought to be responsible for our social organisation, empathy, speech, intuition about the feelings of others, and rapid "gut" reactions (see The cell that makes us human). Anthropomorphic angle Now it turns out that these spindle cells also exist in the same brain areas in humpback whales, fin whales, killer whales and sperm whales. What is more, whales appear to have had these cells for at least twice as long as humans, and early estimates suggest they could have three times as many spindle cells as us, even accounting for the fact that whale brains are larger than ours. "It's absolutely clear to me that these are extremely intelligent animals," says Patrick Hof of the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, and co-discoverer of the whale spindle cells with Estel van der Gucht of the New York Consortium in Evolutionary Primatology, both in the US. "We must be careful about anthropomorphic interpretation of intelligence in whales," says Hof. "But their potential for high-level brain function, clearly demonstrated already at the behavioural level, is confirmed by the existence of neuronal types once thought unique to humans and our closest relatives." "They communicate through huge song repertoires, recognise their own songs and make up new ones. They also form coalitions to plan hunting strategies, teach these to younger individuals, and have evolved social networks similar to those of apes and humans," Hof says. Express trains As with humans, the spindle cells were found in whales in the anterior cingulate cortex and frontoinsular cortex - two brain regions vital for "visceral" reactions. Such reactions require fast but emotionally-sensitive judgments, such as deciding whether another animal is suffering pain, and the general feel of whether an experience is pleasant or unpleasant. In addition, unlike in humans, the researchers also found spindle cells in the frontopolar cortex at the back of the brain, and they were sparsely dispersed elsewhere. Hof says he does not yet know the significance of spindles found in areas other than those that contain the cells in humans and great apes. Exactly how spindle cells function in whales is still under investigation, but Hof believes the long, high-speed connections may fast-track information to and from other parts of the cortex. "The velocity of the signal is faster, and they miss out junctions on the way," says Hof. "They are like the 'express trains' of the nervous system" that bypass unnecessary connections, enabling us to instantly process and act on emotional cues during complex social interactions. Hof and van der Gucht suggest that whales probably evolved the spindle cells completely independently of humans and apes - a process called convergent evolution. Moreover, they probably evolved them as long as 30 million years ago, twice as long ago as humans and apes. Spindle cells are most likely to emerge in unusually large brains which need extra circuitry to handle increasingly complex social interactions, Hof says. Cognitive parallels "The discovery of spindle neurons in cetaceans is a stunning example of neuro-anatomical convergence between cetaceans and primates," says Lori Marino of Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, US. "The common ancestor of cetaceans and primates lived over 95 million years ago, and such a highly specific morphological similarity as the finding of spindle cells is clearly due to evolutionary convergence, not shared ancestry," she says. "This is consistent with a growing body of evidence for parallels between cetaceans and primates in cognitive abilities, behaviour and social ecology." However, many highly intelligent but smaller cetaceans examined by Hof and van der Gucht did not have the spindle cells. The explanation could be that these smaller cetaceans, including bottlenose dolphins, evolved different but equally complex alternatives to the spindle cells. "In this respect, it will be interesting to discover what mental capacities might distinguish humpback whales from dolphins," says Keith Kendrick of the Babraham Institute in Cambridge, UK. Journal reference: The Anatomical Record (DOI: 10.1002/ar.a.20407)
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I know some people with big heads and can't write their own name.
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So where are they getting the whales to do this kind of studying on?
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Whaling action against Japan still possible
Australia and New Zealand have denied ditching the possibility of legal action to stop Japanese whaling. Rejecting a report that New Zealand had abandoned the legal route to stop the annual Southern Ocean cull of almost 1000 whales, the countries said it remained an option, although a diplomatic solution remained the preferred course of action. The New Zealand Conservation Minister, Steve Chadwick, said New Zealand had "examined legal options for taking a case against Japan with great care". "In the past we have identified obstacles to legal action. That said, New Zealand continues to be open minded about the possibility of taking a case against Japanese whaling," Ms Chadwick said. On a visit to Tokyo yesterday, the Australian Foreign Affairs Minister, Stephen Smith, said the Government would continue to build a case to take Japan to the International Court of Justice in The Hague over its research whaling program. But he re-affirmed an undertaking he gave the Japanese Foreign Minister, Masahiko Koumura, that Australia would not "announce or initiate or undertake legal action without letting the Japanese government know that that's the conclusion we've come to". A Japanese government official said that "a decision to drop this case would be in the interests of all countries involved. It's a groundless case." The $1 million legal campaign to gather evidence against Japan's scientific whaling program generated considerable friction between the two nations during Japan's annual hunt. In February footage captured by Australian customs vessel Oceanic Viking, which trailed the Japanese whaling fleet for several weeks, challenged Japan's claims that its whaling methods were humane and efficient. The Environment Minister, Peter Garrett, stirred resentment in Tokyo when he said he felt sick at seeing photographs of the "indiscriminate killing" of a mother minke whale and its calf. In response, the director general of the Institute of Cetacean Research in Tokyo, Minoru Morimoto, said the whales were not related and accused the Australian Government of "emotional propaganda". As tensions mounted thousands of Australians and Japanese traded angry remarks beneath a YouTube video made in Japan, which accused Australia of racism and hypocrisy. Relations between Canberra and Tokyo were eroded by the efforts of activists aboard environmental ship Sea Shepherd, who hounded Japanese whalers for weeks and on one occasion threw "acid" at whalers aboard Japanese ship the Nisshin Maru. Whalers detained two of the activists for days after they boarded the Japanese ship. As a result of the harassment the whaling fleet only caught 551 minke whales, compared with the planned catch of 850, and failed to catch any fin whales, despite setting a target of 50. In an effort to ease tensions, Mr Smith insisted again yesterday that Australia would press on with efforts to reach a "diplomatic solution to this issue" before resorting to legal action. So far Tokyo had given no sign that it intended to make concessions to its annual whaling targets. The trip to Tokyo, which is the second by Mr Smith this year, is in part an attempt to smooth the way for a hastily-arranged visit by the Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, next month. Mr Rudd was pressured into making the trip after criticism, mostly from Australia, that he had snubbed his counter part Yasuo Fukuda by choosing not to include Japan in a 17-day world trip last month. |
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yes you do have to spell it out for me, what you cannot speak for yourself? You say we? SO why dont you spell it out for me.
You would probably eat those dogs in CHina too you goofy 'F' ! |
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In terms of the obstacles to legal action, does that mean in the sense that their may not be a high chance of a judge ruling against Japan or the diffculty in
taking the matter to court? because that's what i've been hearing. I thought an international court would have a high chance of ruling in favour of
anti-whaling countries since the facts are alomst clear cut in this case. First of marine biologists, veterinarians etc would prove their is no need to kill a
whale to study it and ofcourse prove Japan's scientific whaling is a sham, video evidence would show its not humane and can take a while for the whale to
die, and though there is only rough estimates of whale numbers i dont think there is debate challening that fin or humpacks whales are endangered. Plus in this
day were us humans need to be taking greater care of our environment and managing its resources Japan's whaling does not look sustainable furthered by the
fact they are whaling in a whale sancturary. To me it seems like the anti-countries have a high chance in this case (but then again dont have a background in
law), but ofcourse who says Japan will obey an international ruling if that is the case.
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stating a dislike for a certain culture food is childish? WHen Iam asked locally to go to lunch ,dinner, etc......I repeat the same phrases .SO it is
only childish if you want it to be. If eveyone doesnt agree with you ,you give back childish responses , but I dont tell everyone that or would I.
i really don't care what you eat, or why. I just saw an opportunity to get a dig at ya! |
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Sea Shepherd News
05/09/2008 New Zealand Surrenders to the Whalers; Australia Likely to Follow Sea Shepherd Will Fight On! New Zealand is backing down on the promise to take the Japanese government to the international court in the Hague, and Australia appears likely to back down as well with the decision put on hold. The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society predicted a year ago that the posturing of the Rudd government in Australia to take "action" against illegal Japanese whaling would be all smoke and mirrors, and a political gimmick to capture the votes of the whale-loving Australian public. Australia has spent more than a million dollars gathering "evidence" of illegal Japanese whaling activities inside the Australian Antarctic Territorial waters. However, yesterday The Australian reported that according to Foreign Minister, Stephen Smith, the Government would make a final decision on whether to pursue Japan in an international court "at an appropriate time" based on legal advice and the evidence gathered by the Customs vessel Oceanic Viking. "It appears we may be on our own," said Captain Paul Watson of the Sea Shepherd ship Steve Irwin. "It's just us and the Australian people now, but we have demonstrated that we can shut down these whaling activities and given the support we can be 100% effective instead of being 50% effective this last season. The secret is to keep the whalers on the run and we intend to do just that." The Steve Irwin is presently being refitted in Melbourne with a new helicopter deck and hanger and new fast boats. "We have no intention of surrendering to these whale killing thugs," said Captain Watson. "Every year we have been more effective than the year before and we intend to make the 2008/2009 whaling season into the most spectacular display of direct action intervention yet." Sea Shepherd hopes the Australian public will pressure the government and it won't abandon its $1 million attempt to take Japan to the international court. However, the Society is moving forward with plans and preparations for the Steve Irwin to return and defend whales in the Antarctic Whale Sanctuary next season. "Politicians rarely solve problems," said Captain Paul Watson. "Usually they are the problem, because the role of government is to serve corporate interests first, people second and the environment third, if at all. Trade considerations usually trump human rights and environmental concerns. It's rights for the humans only if the price is right and concern for the environment if it does not involve anything more serious than better light bulbs and replacing plastic bags with a reusable sack." "I wish I could say I'm disappointed with both Australia and New Zealand," continued Captain Watson. "The fact is that I expected them to renege on their promises and I expected them to surrender to Japan. After all money does talk louder than political promises and Japan has the money to buy what it wants." Captain Paul Watson will attend the International Whaling Commission Meeting in Santiago, Chile in June and the Sea Shepherd ship Steve Irwin will return to the Southern Ocean to once again engage the Japanese fleet in December 2008. http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_080509_1.html 
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For the first time in 20 years protesters are being blamed for Japan's failure to meet its quota.
No softened stance Professor Stephen Hesse from Japan's Chuo University thinks some officials believe the international community will give them credit for culling fewer whales than they had planned to. Japan's political opposition may be warming to an anti-whaling stance "Perhaps they will think this will get them some sympathy, that this will play well for the government, that it will give a sense of the injustice they have been subjected to," he says. If that is the case, it is probably a miscalculation. The clashes on the high seas this winter have caused problems for Japan's diplomats who have been forced to spend a lot of time on this. There is no sense that as Australia's Prime Minister Kevin Rudd makes plans for a visit to Japan in a few weeks time there will be any softening of his very tough line on whaling. The biggest concern for the Japanese whalers may be the financial costs of not fulfilling their quota. Although this is scientific whaling, the meat is sold to consumers to try to defray some of the costs of the whaling industry. The shortfall is made up by a subsidy from the Japanese taxpayer. If they caught just 60% of what they had hoped to, it is reasonable to conclude their income will fall by 40%. It is unlikely that bringing home fewer whales from the Southern Ocean will raise prices because of a shortage of supply. There is reported to be a glut in the market already. So if Japan wants to continue whaling on the same kind of scale it will require a larger subsidy from the taxpayer. That will not necessarily be that easy for the bureaucrats from the fisheries agency to secure from their colleagues in the Finance Ministry. Japan's public finances are in a mess. The opposition Democratic Party of Japan (DPJ) controls the upper house of parliament and can block any extra public spending should it want to. The DPJ has accepted a petition against whaling organised by the Australian media and made sympathetic noises. Already anti-whaling campaigners in Japan had begun to shift their focus from trying to persuade people here that whaling was wrong, to making clear to them how much they have to pay for it in taxes whether they support it or not. Now there might be a rare opportunity to encourage public debate here about the issue if more taxes are needed to prop up an industry that may not otherwise survive. But do not underestimate the whalers' determination to carry on. The message the environmental campaigners will take away from this is that if chasing and being close to the ships forced the Japanese to suspend whaling and made such a considerable dent in their quota this winter, then next winter they will want to find ways to stay in Antarctica even longer. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7346656.stm |
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